“If Saturn aspected Jupiter by a trine aspect, the native will be wise, of good counsel and wits, sound thinking, and experienced in all the secrets of nature, so that it will be said about him that he is a philosopher, and he will be a narrator of great deeds, and he will predict [or preach] serious matters just like the haruspices”
[Abū Bakr – On Nativities II, trans. Benjamin N. Dykes, PhD, p.150]

I am continuing with the examination of the Abū Bakr’s aphorisms [at least some of them] I started in my previous entry on this blog. In the chapter called ‘On the native’s knowledge’ Abū Bakr gives the aphorism I gave you above. Now, Abū Bakr speaks about the trine aspect between Saturn and Jupiter, but I think that this is also applicable to other connections between these two planets, and while I was searching through my philosophers database, I found that great deal of philosophers in history had some type of connection between Saturn and Jupiter, mostly opposition [Russell, Roussou, Vaihinger], conjunction [Proclus,Saint Martin] and sextile. I decided to work with this chart of Karl Marx, even though the aspect is that of a sextile, because in the further aphorisms Abū Bakr seems to put the clause ‘trine OR sextile’, while here the ‘sextile’ was omitted. This and the reason that Karl Marx’s chart has Saturn on ascendant in its own sign, made me to choose his chart for examination. I think that this configuration between Saturn and Jupiter would require these planet to be somehow connected with the personal factors, and even then, some additional factors need to be examined, because many people are born with that configuration in their horoscope and not all of them would be philosophers.


I made the chart in Lahiri Ayanamsa. This chart makes more sense to me in Lahiri Ayanamsa, more then in tropical. I open every chart first in tropical and then in siderial and in this way I am building the necessary practice in order to be able to judge with more assurance after some years of practice. It is just that this chart makes more sense to me with Saturn in first, and some further points I will add later in this post.

One more digression. The Hellenistic astrology techniques like Zodiacal Releasing, seems that work better in tropical. This is the experience of Robert Schmidt, Chris Brennan, and my humble experience too. The reasons for this are yet to be judged. When I work with Jyotish, I exclusively use siderial, but I was surprised not once, when I compare some chart made in siderial and using Vedic astrology techniques, and the same chart in tropical using Western astrology techniques, how one can come to the same conclusion through many different paths. I was witness of the beauty of complementary usage of these two branches of astrology using different zodiacs and different techniques. Some things which are not seen by Jyotish techniques, are very well complemented using Western astrology techniques. One of this is the usage of the concept of Primary Motivation which I use every time in my practice. I have an interesting story to tell regarding this, but it is not the place here. I will do that in some further entry. My point here is that the usage of the zodiac should not be a war, even though we people want to make wars and we split each other into many different categories in order to fulfill that innate desire for defending and attacking. I do not think that ever will be consolidation. The war between modern and traditional, western and eastern, right and wrong will exist, we live in dual world, that’s a fact.

OK, back to the chart.

You remember from my previous entry that after finding the aphorism fulfilled in full or partially, the second step is to find the logic behind it. Why would Jupiter and Saturn give wise man and man who is profound in knowledge, with great council and thinking?

Well, Jupiter and Saturn are the furthest planets in our system, they are the two superiors furthest away from our plane, this is associative with an old wise man, someone who walked the path of life, who walked the distance and is now ready to give the council of his wisdom to the younger generation. Jupiter signifies law and lawful thinking, it is the archetype of a Guru or teacher in Hindu astrology, and the Judge in Western astrology. Saturn is regarded as very spiritual planet in Hindu astrology, but in Western also, it is the planet – especially if well placed – which gives deep thought, which can go behind the scenes and visible and enter in to the plane of the invisible, the occult planet par excellence. The combination of Jupiter and Saturn would give a man who is young in his body but old in his mind. I remember that in my early 20’s I read some letter that Karl Marx wrote in his 14th or 15th year of life [don’t remember well]. I was astonished by the profound wisdom, a wisdom of an old man, I read in that letter. If I didn’t know that the latter is written by a boy, I would thought that it is written by an old man. This is his Saturn in first house in its own domicile. Jupiter is moving away from the hexagonal figure with Saturn because of the retrograde motion. Jupiter is also in its own sign, and even though the retrogradation would take off some of the good significations [or at least, some of its strength], it is still, Jupiter in its own sign in the 11th house of Good Spirit. Saturn is also Lord of the Lot of Fortune and Lot of Spirit, and being in 1st in its own domicile, makes for a very profound intellect and deep thinker. Because of Saturn, his action would be of a prolonged style, because Saturn rules Spirit and is on ascendant.

This Saturn as out of sect and Lord of 12th in 1st would add some bad significations too. His health was not so good, he was poor with many ups and downs in his life, and all this fits with Saturn contrary to the sect in favor and L12 in 1st. But let’s stick to his philosophy side.

Abū Bakr offers us another interesting aphorism:

“If Mercury were with Venus in the 4th house, the native will be a disputer, lawyer, and an inventor of words, and more strongly so if it were in a peregrine sign.”
[ibid. Dykes].

Dykes in the footnotes gives explanation as to why peregrine. His reasoning is that the peregrination would make someone frivolous and take pleasure in debating without sincerity.
We know that Karl Marx studied Law in the University of Berlin, his father was actually the one who insisted that he need to study law because of the many possibilities that degree offers after the graduating. Karl even though studying Law, was fascinated by philosophy and spent all his free time reading and studying philosophy. In his 4th house we have Venus and Mercury together, just as the aphorism requires, ‘he will be an inventor of words’. Now, that he was a disputer is not a secret. He is well known for his criticizing of the established society, and Saturn is the critic par excellence in astrology. But why would Venus and Mercury in 4th give someone who is a disputer and a lawyer? I think that these need to be connected with some personal factors in the horoscope, just like in this case, they are connected with Saturn who is in the first house. In 4th they are regarding the 10th from an opposition and 1st house through square, this may be an indication of using harsh words and be known for that. Harsh words produce conflict, and 4th is the most invisible place in the horoscope, as to be caught with words by surprise.
4th House is also the place of Heart according to Hermes and according to Hindu astrology.
So, Venus and Mercury being placed here may be an indication of having pleasures [Venus] for debate [Mercury]. 4th house may be taken into this examination also because of the thing that it is a Pivot, just like this combination would do the same in any other Pivot. Now, they are not both peregrine, only Mercury is. But Mercury is in its own bounds, which makes him very independent, because in that way it and its significations don’t need to be channeled through some other planet.

As an end note, I would want to point out his South Node in 9th, which is one of the indications, given by the old sages, for the native’s bad attitude and connections with religion. Karl Marx’s sum up of his religious views are given here:

Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium for the people The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions.

[ Karl Marx; Joseph O’Malley (26 August 1977). Critique of Hegel’s ‘Philosophy of right’. CUP Archive. p. 131. ISBN 978-0-521-29211-5. Retrieved 23 April 2011.]

His both Lights are found in 3rd Place which was seen by the monotheistic astrologers as a place of the unorthodox religions. The Lights are most important in the horoscope, the intellectual light (Sun) and the fortune (Moon), showing our deepest and most innate, metaphysical nature of ours. Being in 3rd house and almost eclipsed, in sign and bound of Mars [channeled by Mars] in the narrow minded and intellectually over thinking Gemini is showing his harsh criticism toward the established norms of the religion.

2 thoughts on “What makes a Philosopher – Karl Marx’s Chart

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